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	<title>Comments on: 3 Reasons LinkedIn Won&#8217;t Help You Sell</title>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bob VL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob VL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 19:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely correct Karen. That is why I mentioned that I do use LinkedIN for research and reference resources...and I will also look look down in  the well :   “Dig Your Well Before You’re Thirsty”.

Thanks Karen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely correct Karen. That is why I mentioned that I do use LinkedIN for research and reference resources&#8230;and I will also look look down in  the well :   “Dig Your Well Before You’re Thirsty”.</p>
<p>Thanks Karen!</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.salesteamtools.com/2008/02/08/3-reasons-linkedin-wont-help-you-sell/#comment-21038</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: Bob - agreed...but isn't a big part of sales the prework and research you do about contacts and companies you are trying to get into?

If you don't think this is important - I'd suggest you ready Harvey Mackay's book "Dig Your Well Before You're Thirsty".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Bob - agreed&#8230;but isn&#8217;t a big part of sales the prework and research you do about contacts and companies you are trying to get into?</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t think this is important - I&#8217;d suggest you ready Harvey Mackay&#8217;s book &#8220;Dig Your Well Before You&#8217;re Thirsty&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob VL</title>
		<link>http://www.salesteamtools.com/2008/02/08/3-reasons-linkedin-wont-help-you-sell/#comment-21037</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob VL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. 

There is yet another factor that I have not seen addressed as yet, and one that I am a bit uncomfortable with.  I do not use LinkedIn as a sales tool because I caution this mode of intrusion, and/or the invasion of privacy.  

Sure it is OK to use LI as a reference tool, and a research resource, and 
I would feel a bit uncomfortable by "intruding" in this space just to sell somebody something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. </p>
<p>There is yet another factor that I have not seen addressed as yet, and one that I am a bit uncomfortable with.  I do not use LinkedIn as a sales tool because I caution this mode of intrusion, and/or the invasion of privacy.  </p>
<p>Sure it is OK to use LI as a reference tool, and a research resource, and<br />
I would feel a bit uncomfortable by &#8220;intruding&#8221; in this space just to sell somebody something.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kreppein</title>
		<link>http://www.salesteamtools.com/2008/02/08/3-reasons-linkedin-wont-help-you-sell/#comment-21018</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kreppein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, 

You should read Jan's post on better ways to use online systems for getting referrals.

http://www.salesteamtools.com/2008/02/14/what-would-you-give-for-an-introduction-to-your-ideal-prospect/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, </p>
<p>You should read Jan&#8217;s post on better ways to use online systems for getting referrals.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.salesteamtools.com/2008/02/14/what-would-you-give-for-an-introduction-to-your-ideal-prospect/" rel="nofollow">http://www.salesteamtools.com/2008/02/14/what-would-you-give-for-an-introduction-to-your-ideal-prospect/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Blue</title>
		<link>http://www.salesteamtools.com/2008/02/08/3-reasons-linkedin-wont-help-you-sell/#comment-20976</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never felt like LinkedIn was a good sales tool either.  It can help if you are looking for specific executives and you want to find out more about them, but not for lead generation.  The way we prospect at my company is by targeting growing companies, by email marketing, and getting referrals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never felt like LinkedIn was a good sales tool either.  It can help if you are looking for specific executives and you want to find out more about them, but not for lead generation.  The way we prospect at my company is by targeting growing companies, by email marketing, and getting referrals.</p>
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		<title>By: Stone Payton</title>
		<link>http://www.salesteamtools.com/2008/02/08/3-reasons-linkedin-wont-help-you-sell/#comment-20670</link>
		<dc:creator>Stone Payton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a delight to find you Jan, and Sales Team Tools (lost track of you since "Eyes On Sales.")  I found this post -- and the comment stream -- so rich, I just had to let our own readers know about it.

I even surfaced the question at our monthly meeting (consortium of Atlanta area Marketing pros) this morning.  Result: 8 experts, almost as many perspectives, lively discussion . . . several new ideas for leveraging LinkedIn and other vehicles.

Anyway -- Thanks for raising the question!

- Stone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a delight to find you Jan, and Sales Team Tools (lost track of you since &#8220;Eyes On Sales.&#8221;)  I found this post &#8212; and the comment stream &#8212; so rich, I just had to let our own readers know about it.</p>
<p>I even surfaced the question at our monthly meeting (consortium of Atlanta area Marketing pros) this morning.  Result: 8 experts, almost as many perspectives, lively discussion . . . several new ideas for leveraging LinkedIn and other vehicles.</p>
<p>Anyway &#8212; Thanks for raising the question!</p>
<p>- Stone</p>
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		<title>By: Bob VL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob VL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, maybe we call LinkedIn a Social Business Network.  

Use it for both social and business purposes, prospects, and as much in life, the two do overlap.  I have many business associates as friends that I have never done business with.   Vice Versa.   Rather, as a NETWORKING tool, it is a good , uh network, to keep in touch with people in similar veins. 

Reconnect and communicate with people we would not have the oppportunity  to do wo if it were not for email and tools like LinkedIn. Personally,  I do not "use" the tool for prospecting - rather I try to employ the opportunity to get in touch, and keep in touch with resources.  My two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, maybe we call LinkedIn a Social Business Network.  </p>
<p>Use it for both social and business purposes, prospects, and as much in life, the two do overlap.  I have many business associates as friends that I have never done business with.   Vice Versa.   Rather, as a NETWORKING tool, it is a good , uh network, to keep in touch with people in similar veins. </p>
<p>Reconnect and communicate with people we would not have the oppportunity  to do wo if it were not for email and tools like LinkedIn. Personally,  I do not &#8220;use&#8221; the tool for prospecting - rather I try to employ the opportunity to get in touch, and keep in touch with resources.  My two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.salesteamtools.com/2008/02/08/3-reasons-linkedin-wont-help-you-sell/#comment-20634</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting counterpoints, Jan. I'll see if I can't shift my "gleeful plea" to a more persuasive argument. :-)

Re: #1 - I don't honestly know how many C-level or VP-level Fortune 1000 people there are in LinkedIn. I do know that EVERY Fortune 1000 company is represented and it's used by the staffing departments of most of them. But I think there's a mistaken expectation that you have to be able to directly reach a C-level executive in order for it to be useful. How often do you actually sell directly to C-level executives &lt;em&gt;as your first contact?&lt;/em&gt; That's the key. Most of the time, isn't it a VP or a Senior Manager or a Director who's identifying the need and championing it for a C-level decision? And THOSE people are most definitely in there.

Re: #2 - You can set it so that your network is not browsable by your contacts, making it impossible for people to use "your network" as a prospecting ground. People could only request to contact specific people in your network that they discovered somehow else, and it would, in theory, be only people you knew doing so.

Re: #3 - It's all in how you use it, and the vast majority of users don't use it for quantity. Unfortunately, the increased visibility of those who do kind of skews the impression. Furthermore, it's now quite common even for many of us who only connect with people we know to have 500+ connections (I'm approaching 700). I have yet to see ANY indication of a correlation between number of connections and business success. I get success stories all the time from people with just a couple of hundred connections. Sure, the unwanted connection invitations from strangers can be a nuisance, but they've taken steps to curtail that, and it certainly seems to have dropped off in the past year. Small price to pay for the benefit received, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting counterpoints, Jan. I&#8217;ll see if I can&#8217;t shift my &#8220;gleeful plea&#8221; to a more persuasive argument. :-)</p>
<p>Re: #1 - I don&#8217;t honestly know how many C-level or VP-level Fortune 1000 people there are in LinkedIn. I do know that EVERY Fortune 1000 company is represented and it&#8217;s used by the staffing departments of most of them. But I think there&#8217;s a mistaken expectation that you have to be able to directly reach a C-level executive in order for it to be useful. How often do you actually sell directly to C-level executives <em>as your first contact?</em> That&#8217;s the key. Most of the time, isn&#8217;t it a VP or a Senior Manager or a Director who&#8217;s identifying the need and championing it for a C-level decision? And THOSE people are most definitely in there.</p>
<p>Re: #2 - You can set it so that your network is not browsable by your contacts, making it impossible for people to use &#8220;your network&#8221; as a prospecting ground. People could only request to contact specific people in your network that they discovered somehow else, and it would, in theory, be only people you knew doing so.</p>
<p>Re: #3 - It&#8217;s all in how you use it, and the vast majority of users don&#8217;t use it for quantity. Unfortunately, the increased visibility of those who do kind of skews the impression. Furthermore, it&#8217;s now quite common even for many of us who only connect with people we know to have 500+ connections (I&#8217;m approaching 700). I have yet to see ANY indication of a correlation between number of connections and business success. I get success stories all the time from people with just a couple of hundred connections. Sure, the unwanted connection invitations from strangers can be a nuisance, but they&#8217;ve taken steps to curtail that, and it certainly seems to have dropped off in the past year. Small price to pay for the benefit received, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Blackman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Blackman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jan, I don't think it's about the 10, 20 or 500+ direct contacts, but about the 1,2 or 3M contacts you could reach through them.

I'm a consultant practising strategic planning, new business development and highly creative projects for SME through to large international companies.  The trust relationship allows me to get introductions to people who will see me and who do want to buy my B2B service.

It works both ways.  By having a fully featured profile, prospects come to me to ask me to help them solve a complex problem, or to work out a new way to do something.  

I don't rely on it as my sole way of garnering new business, but it is just one tool in the whole Web 2.0 marketing armoury.  It just happens to be one of the better ones.

That's why I welcome new connections.  And I don't IDK anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s about the 10, 20 or 500+ direct contacts, but about the 1,2 or 3M contacts you could reach through them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a consultant practising strategic planning, new business development and highly creative projects for SME through to large international companies.  The trust relationship allows me to get introductions to people who will see me and who do want to buy my B2B service.</p>
<p>It works both ways.  By having a fully featured profile, prospects come to me to ask me to help them solve a complex problem, or to work out a new way to do something.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t rely on it as my sole way of garnering new business, but it is just one tool in the whole Web 2.0 marketing armoury.  It just happens to be one of the better ones.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I welcome new connections.  And I don&#8217;t IDK anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kreppein</title>
		<link>http://www.salesteamtools.com/2008/02/08/3-reasons-linkedin-wont-help-you-sell/#comment-20212</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kreppein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 01:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jan,
Interesting that you call LinkedIn a social networking site when I think they'd argue that they're a business networking site.  Their revenue model suggests that they're actually a job posting site competing for recruiter $$'s with monster and theladders.  A successful one, mind you.  After all, they convinced many of us, including me, to upload our resumes for free.  

Like you, many of my prospects aren't on LinkedIn.  If they are, they're usually 3 degrees or more away.  That makes InMail just another way to cold call them.  Instead, I use LinkedIn to keep track of my sales colleagues as they move from company to company.  

To be fair, I have heard of one suggestion for salespeople to get prospect introductions on LinkedIn.  A sales consulting company, Basho Strategies, hosts a seminar (now online) on how to effectively use LinkedIn to generate business for salespeople.  They suggest looking at your network updates to see who your connections have recently added.  If those new connections are interesting to you, then reach out to your connection and ask for an introduction.

- Michael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan,<br />
Interesting that you call LinkedIn a social networking site when I think they&#8217;d argue that they&#8217;re a business networking site.  Their revenue model suggests that they&#8217;re actually a job posting site competing for recruiter $$&#8217;s with monster and theladders.  A successful one, mind you.  After all, they convinced many of us, including me, to upload our resumes for free.  </p>
<p>Like you, many of my prospects aren&#8217;t on LinkedIn.  If they are, they&#8217;re usually 3 degrees or more away.  That makes InMail just another way to cold call them.  Instead, I use LinkedIn to keep track of my sales colleagues as they move from company to company.  </p>
<p>To be fair, I have heard of one suggestion for salespeople to get prospect introductions on LinkedIn.  A sales consulting company, Basho Strategies, hosts a seminar (now online) on how to effectively use LinkedIn to generate business for salespeople.  They suggest looking at your network updates to see who your connections have recently added.  If those new connections are interesting to you, then reach out to your connection and ask for an introduction.</p>
<p>- Michael</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.salesteamtools.com/2008/02/08/3-reasons-linkedin-wont-help-you-sell/#comment-20211</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hay Jan - I'm in the brick, stone and concrete block industry and some of my customers don't even have voicemail in their office as of yet.

They don't have voicemail on their cellphones, not because they don't like voicemail, but because they can't record a greeting nor figure out how to listen or reply to one.

It's a face-to-face industry, where handshakes are still the only way to make a deal, which is why I drive 250-350 miles a day shaking hands and visiting an owner on a project site, not behind a desk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hay Jan - I&#8217;m in the brick, stone and concrete block industry and some of my customers don&#8217;t even have voicemail in their office as of yet.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t have voicemail on their cellphones, not because they don&#8217;t like voicemail, but because they can&#8217;t record a greeting nor figure out how to listen or reply to one.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a face-to-face industry, where handshakes are still the only way to make a deal, which is why I drive 250-350 miles a day shaking hands and visiting an owner on a project site, not behind a desk.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I mean is I can look at my 2nd degree contacts and gather valuable contact names and titles, which I then use to get past gate-keepers in the companies I am trying to break into.  I find, just having that gets me further than cold-calling blind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I mean is I can look at my 2nd degree contacts and gather valuable contact names and titles, which I then use to get past gate-keepers in the companies I am trying to break into.  I find, just having that gets me further than cold-calling blind.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Sohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Sohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't agree with you more.  As a big fan and user of LinkedIn I use it just as you subscribe.  It is pretty good in business development situations too - finding those 1-3 people you would like to work with at a different company.  But driving 10+ clients through social networking - not likely.

I spoke at a conference the other day and asked who uses LinkedIn - lots of folks raised their hand.  I asked one individual how many contacts he had and he said around 150.  I asked how many of them are real customers, someone who sent him a purchase order or signed a contract.  The answer was 2.

So how does a business drive more business is leveraging social networking?  Check out salesconx.com a marketplace for business networking.  Think of LinkedIn meets eBay.

Evan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more.  As a big fan and user of LinkedIn I use it just as you subscribe.  It is pretty good in business development situations too - finding those 1-3 people you would like to work with at a different company.  But driving 10+ clients through social networking - not likely.</p>
<p>I spoke at a conference the other day and asked who uses LinkedIn - lots of folks raised their hand.  I asked one individual how many contacts he had and he said around 150.  I asked how many of them are real customers, someone who sent him a purchase order or signed a contract.  The answer was 2.</p>
<p>So how does a business drive more business is leveraging social networking?  Check out salesconx.com a marketplace for business networking.  Think of LinkedIn meets eBay.</p>
<p>Evan</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Visser</title>
		<link>http://www.salesteamtools.com/2008/02/08/3-reasons-linkedin-wont-help-you-sell/#comment-20201</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Visser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen, fair enough. Could you elaborate a bit on your "information gathering and account penetration" comment? How do you use LinkedIn to do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen, fair enough. Could you elaborate a bit on your &#8220;information gathering and account penetration&#8221; comment? How do you use LinkedIn to do that?</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Visser</title>
		<link>http://www.salesteamtools.com/2008/02/08/3-reasons-linkedin-wont-help-you-sell/#comment-20200</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Visser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike - Well, I disagree a bit with your last statement.

I think it does good things for people in areas of networking. I have gotten back in touch with a few people I lost track of over the years. I see it like "classmates" on steroids-  I just don't see it as a tool to really generate business for the reasons I outlined in the post. There are tools with a much better fit, one of which I will introduce in the next few days.

For people that read this post, I would love to be proven wrong here. Do you use LinkedIn to generate business? If not, how *do* you use it?

Mike, you say "your industry" will never use tools like these, not even for networking. Why do you say that? What makes your industry uniquely different from others here?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike - Well, I disagree a bit with your last statement.</p>
<p>I think it does good things for people in areas of networking. I have gotten back in touch with a few people I lost track of over the years. I see it like &#8220;classmates&#8221; on steroids-  I just don&#8217;t see it as a tool to really generate business for the reasons I outlined in the post. There are tools with a much better fit, one of which I will introduce in the next few days.</p>
<p>For people that read this post, I would love to be proven wrong here. Do you use LinkedIn to generate business? If not, how *do* you use it?</p>
<p>Mike, you say &#8220;your industry&#8221; will never use tools like these, not even for networking. Why do you say that? What makes your industry uniquely different from others here?</p>
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